There are Scientologists – OTs and highly trained auditors who do not audit sitting on a failed purpose charge. I think that to revitalize the original purpose of Scientology we can apply a rehab tech. All we need to do is to find a moment of change, a making break point and indicate it. The moment when Ron and Church diverged from true Scientology ending up moving the other and then in opposite direction. I think I see when and how it happened.

Ron had a big goal in mind that he urged to reach. But at some point, somewhere when he wrote (was it a Bulletin?) that we have to build a new world with people that he compared to a broken straws (?) Ron went into agreement with a thought that lowed the standard level of ability expected. I think he felt that he was running out of time and having to act in a group and to delegate responsibility to those he didn’t fully trust (broken straw), he still wanted to get the job done somehow, anyhow. And that was when he started to cope with situation instead of handling it. And church went on coping – fixing things by any means instead of handling. Shortcuts…

I am talking about Justice taking place of Ethics.

Justice could be used as a temporary solution in an absence of Ethics, but it is a dead end way if applied permanently. It is not a Scientology way to go. It is like a wrong dosage of medicine can turn it into a poison.

We should return back to the moment when things were going right and pick up from there. I suggest we learn and teach to apply a true Ethics. It was supposed to be delivered by auditors. Why? Because it was not a punishment (justice action) that it had became in the church, but a process where ability was gained, new awareness level reached, theta was freed.
Mary Freeman – Class 8 Auditor trained and certified by LRH personally, (website “Planet Freeman“) specializes in delivering such true Ethics. She regards the lower conditions as ones that address beingness, from liability up through non-ex, emergency and danger as handling doingness and normal and up – where you deal with product as havingness. She has a different approach and her Ethics program routinely creates miracles of life changing results, as it should be when true scientology is applied.

At least the spotting and understanding the moment of diverging should bring a relief to some of us who suffer from the failed purpose.

(This article was written by me as a comment, and posted originally on the Marty’s Rasbun blog I have copied replies from there into following commentaries.)

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7 Comments to “Justice or Ethics?”

  1. admin says:

    Jim Logan | October 14, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    A question: How would justice relate to the overt/motivator sequence and the balance of flows (see Tech 88/PDC lectures) that beings get into (flows that is)as per Factor 24?

    “24. And the viewpoints are never seen. And the viewpoints consider more and more that the dimension points are valuable. And the viewpoints try to become the anchor points and forget that they can create more points and space and forms. Thus comes about scarcity. And the dimension points can perish and so the viewpoints assume that they, too, can perish.”

    This balancing of the ledger of the overt/motivator sequence is part and parcel to the duration known as ‘time’. ‘Justice’ may well be the agreed-upon mechanism of societal persistence/survival/’time’.

    What do you think a culture without some form of redress would be like? (Assuming it is not a culture that is more or less Clear.)

    • admin says:

      Jim, very good question, right on spot! That is a question of the assumption of a viewpoint (and since we are talking bingness, we are in the realm of lower conditions – confusion, treason, enemy or doubt).

      Culture with it’s Justice already exists in the society around us. Why to create another one within Scientology structure? It’s a trying to sit on two chairs with one bat – ending up very likely on the floor.

      We are ether New Civilization of Auditors, Clears and OTs and operate by Ethics, or we are not – and then we can talk justice. There is no such thing as Scientology justice, it is ether one or another. Ethics can and will merge with auditing and it technics, but do not let it slide into the justice action! Do not try to marry Ethics and Justice – Ethics is reasoning based on self- and then pan-determinism and justice sits right below lowest ethics condition, where other-determinism takes place, where there are robots and control enforcement, where robots are been told what is right and what is wrong.

      I see justice as a 3 Dynamic Reactive Mind. Ethics is based on reason, and justice – on reaction. There is a great collection (Reactive Bank) of 3D engrams – past painful experiences of the society, on which the justice rests. Justice reaction is based on past painful experiences. Does it ring the bell?

      Introducing justice into Scientology organization was suicidal. It was inviting and letting the deadly virus in. It was MIXING PRACTICES, that’s it! We should really get rid of this reactive thinking to keep scientology working. Trying to use both – Ethics and Justice – creates confusion and leads to double standard. You are OT – self determine and highly ethical and ooops, I am going to tell you how to behave, whether to listen to the media or not, whether to buy books or… (sorry, there is no “not” option with buying books!) – endless list. Look at the church – to the society it puts up a face of religion, and it’s participants it treats as a busyness. But as I said before, it ended up BETWEEN the chairs. There is no other business in America that treats it’s employees as horrible as church does. And there is no other religion that has a price sticker on each and every service it enforces. Or, wait a second, some times it does not even care to offer a service, just demand you to give up your money, your family members, your life, your choice, your rights to know and to speak…

      We have to get rid of this reactive thinking.
      We can not be “a little OT” or an “almost Clear” or a “kind of an Auditor”, like a woman can not be “a little pregnant”! It is ether here or there. Ether justice and life in the regular society, or OT groups that is based on ethics.

      If somebody in the “outer” world lives by ethics – he is one of us, is he aware of that or not. If somebody withing a scientology group (church or a free zone) needs a justice or enforces a justice – he fells out of the group boundary into the liability (needs a justice) or treason and enemy (enforces justice) or confusion (does not understand or give a shit of what I am talking about).

      I am afraid Ron got slide into a doubt and instead of raising everybody up to auditors, Clears and OTs (at least within the church), he went into agreement with enemy valence invalidating “broken straw’s” ability to live by ethics and opened a door to other practice – justice.

  2. admin says:

    Marty Rathbun

    Anarchy has failed everywhere it has been experimented.

    • admin says:

      Marty, Ethics is not anarchy at all.
      I guess, anarchy would be a lower harmonic of ethics. It will be a freedom with low or no awareness and with low or no responsibility, when Ethics is a freedom to with high awareness at the high responsibility level.
      And justice is in between – with restricted and majored by others freedom, with some awareness and responsibility as a blame.

  3. admin says:

    Jim Logan | October 15, 2010 at 1:28 am | Reply

    I’m afraid I’m with Marty on this. What you describe is essentially anarchy. It’s a pipe dream. Doesn’t work, and hasn’t, because it doesn’t.

    Look up AP&A and ‘justice’. Then look at your own view of the world and instances where you wanted ‘fair play’ and a settlement that was equitable to all concerned in terms of the Dynamic Principle of Existence – survive.

    Justice, redress, a means of fair play in interchange among diverse beings is a fact of life.

    • admin says:

      I didn’t answer about justice and overt/motivator sequence.
      I think justice fits right into that sequence, perpetuating it by reacting on that what it labels “wrong” and pushing a being down tone scale into the less awareness and less responsibility. The robots are made by justice. That is a mutual reactive mind of society in action. Justice is evaluation for person on a subject of right and wrong, good and bad. It can help only when person is incapable of evaluating for himself at all. How bad should be that? Too low for scientology.

      Ethics is not a reaction, but reasoning based on logic, on willingness to improve the conditions (responsibility and awareness in it). Ethics is an activity of a thetan himself. So ethics fits right into scientology and its purpose of improving conditions.

      And thank you so much for asking questions, Jim!

  4. admin says:

    Helmut Flasch | October 15, 2010 at 3:44 am | Reply

    Great dialogue -really –
    I am manly with Tatiana. i think she is on to something.
    After all even Ron said that our ethics procedures (manly the justice part) is only a (apparently ) needed evil till we all are able to reason!


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